From: Angela
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:30 AM
To: Lloyd
Subject: natcell thymus in the uk?

Dear Lloyd,

I am writing from London.

I have just been diagnosed with HCV right before Christmas, and am still reeling with the news.  :-(

[I am not sure how I got it, although I receive blood in 1987, and for years attended a reputable dentist practise where, it turned out, the dentist had the disease (and didn't wear gloves always, hippy dentist...:-(   ]

But - who knows...!?

I will see the hepatologist at the end of Jan., but still have only the general info from my GP: positive lab test, viral load, AST/ALT levels, blood work, etc.
I don't know the genotype, and haven't had a biopsy yet.
I was told it 'was no longer a death sentence, as it used to be' and 'there is treatment now.'
Then, I researched the...'treatment'....!! ..  Oh, dear!!  :-(

So - I am scrambling for alternatives and a cure!!!! 

I just bought your book "Triumph Over Hepatitis C," and read it from cover to cover, with the intention of taking up your programme.
I live in London, and cannot seem to find a supplier for the NatCell frozen thymus extract in the UK... ?  :-/

Do you know of any sources for the extract in England or Europe?

I am a mature student studying doing graduate studies, and living on an impossible shoestring (with no assets to liquidate) with my two teenage daughters, so I am quite certain I could never afford to have the NatCell extract shipped to me here from the USA, and pay all the surcharges on top of that... :-(  :-(  :-(

So, I am hoping you may know where it may be available on 'this side of the pond.'...?!?

Also - do you have a supplier here for your line of herbal remedies/supplements, or would I have to get them shipped internationally (which, in England, would also automatically involve paying taxes, customs, and possibly third-party handling charges, which could double the price of the products.)

Otherwise, I will try to get the ingredients here and follow the programme which you devised for your self.

I would be grateful for  any and all advice and resources you may recommend.

I hope you can help.

Thank you.
Best regards,
Angela

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2010/1/4 Lloyd Wright

Hello Angela,

The most important things to do are avoiding things. Do not take the hepatitis A & B vaccine, do not use antibiotics, especially amoxicillin, do not take Nexium or prilosec as these items will raise your viral  load millions of points. Also do not take the flu shot.

Do not eat fast food, fried food or fatty food.

Do not do what the MDs tell you. Just use them for lab work.

I will attach some info you should read. Do not get in a hurry, everything will be fine.

In health,
Lloyd

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2010/1/20 Lloyd Wright
Hello Angela,
Please see below in Capitals (or black):

From: Angela
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:40 PM
To: Lloyd Wright
Subject: Re: NatCell thymus in the uk?

Dear Lloyd,

Thank you for kindly responding to my enquiry so quickly and for including the valuable advice and articles, which I have read and carefully noted.

How exciting that the scientists are making new discoveries to inhibit the virus with the peptides...and how amazing that you were already applying that strategy!!! 
Why aren't your protocols more widely published on the mainstream Hep C websites and books?

I AM IN BOOKS, BEEN ON OVER 1000 RADIO SHOWS, ON TV FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. HAD QUITE A WEB PRESENCE AND ON DECEMBER 8TH THE FDA KILLED MOST EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER DONE. THEY DO THAT TO PEOPLE WHO SUCCED TO HELP PEOPLE WITH FOOD SUPPLEMENTS LIKE PEPTIDES. THEY JUST RELEASED MY PEPTDES WITH CONDITIONS, THAT I NEVER PROMOTE THEM AGAIN, JUST GOT THE RELEASE FORM THE FDA A FEW MINUTES AGO.

Is it because of the big drug lobbies and money ...!?!?!?!?!  How cruelly and revoltingly immoral!!! YEP!

I am intrigued to hear that you do not recommend the HAV and HBV vaccines, as almost all other literature advises one to take them to protect oneself from at least HBV...? 

IT IS TRUE THAT IF ONE CONTRCTS HEP A WHILE HAVING HEP C THEY WILL GET SICK AND MAY DIE. iF ONE LIVES IN THE US THEY ARE MORE LIKLY TO GET HIT BY A BOLT OF LIGHTING THAN TO CONTRACT HEP A.

NO ONE GETS WELL AFTER TAKING THESE VACINES IF THEY HAVE HEP C.

But - I'm not a fan of unnecessary vaccines, so I am certainly receptive to the argument against them.

Are you suggesting that, in reality, the vaccines could actually aggravate the liver (or immune system) and/or stimulate the HCV, like the other meds/flu shot you mention?

YES,SEE ATTACHEMENT

Should I get a biopsy?

NO, GET A FIBROSURE BLOOD TEST

An acupuncturist here, who has a specialty in HCV, told me to say NO to the biopsy...  Do you have an opinion on that one?

I've had an ultrasound scan, but no results back yet, due to the holidays...ho, ho, ho...  :-/

Ironically, I have always been relatively healthy...!?!  As a rule, I have a healthy disrespect for doctors (thanks to my father, who was one!) and don't have a knee-jerk response to reach for the Rx bottle every time for every ache or cough.  In the past several years I have tended to seek TCM treatment on the odd occasion I needed something routine sorted out. 
Most recently, I went to a TCM practitioner for help with the condition of my hair falling out....!!!

TAKE SOME MODUCARE, YOUR HAIR WILL GET BETTER

1.   It was that condition which eventually prompted a blood test by my bew doctor ( when I moved and was seen by a western doctor), and that's when they discovered the elevated liver enzymes (74; 71)....which prompted more tests, which confirmed the shocking diagnosis...and the rest, as they say, is history... :-(    
   
   [The western docs (still) seem to think it's stress that's causing my hair to shed, but I really wonder if it isn't the liver...?!?? 
   The Chinese doctor said it was kidney deficiency, and gave me herbs and  acupuncture, which helped for a while until I moved, and I have been trying to find continuing help with that, which has now given way to...this!!! :-(
   (talk about stress..!)]
   
   [It is true that I  have had a very stressful life for several years now... :-/  ...and recently, I have been tired... :-/
   hmmm- looks like that might not change for a while...?  :-/   ]
   
   But, otherwise, I follow what is, apparently, already a life style which will enhance my liver health, ie, no fast food, junk food, fried or fatty foods, etc., and eat a whole- and organic food diet...(which used to include red wine... :-/...but that's about it!)... moderate exercise...busy, mindful life... (if that's not a contradiction in terms..!? ;-)
   
   So, I guess I now need to add the right supplements to boost my liver and immune system, and try to keep the melancholy at bay -- which sounds a bit easier said than done at the moment --  ...but, it certainly won't hurt me to smile in the face of adversity, will it...!? ...!?     :-)   ??
   :-o   !!! (help!!)
   
   I suppose if this doesn't kill me, it will make me stronger, eh?!?
   (I must say, that's a hell of a way to build character...!!!)
   
   I have 6 children (and 1 grandchild!), 4 grown and gone, but 2 are still young, just 13 and 15, and, of course, still live with me, so I am sad and worried...actually, I'm devastated and terrified...  :-(   
   And there is so much I still don't know...
   
   but, anyway -
   
   ...underneath all this anxiety beats a brave heart and a good soul, so I'm not going to throw in the towel just yet... although I might use it to soak up a few tears now and again...and again...!?... :-(
   Oh, well...lots of work to do...
   
   Thank you again for your kind reply.
   I welcome any and all ongoing advice you may have, and if you do have a connection here for your supplements and NatCell thymus products, please do let me know.

WE SHIP NATCELL TO THE UK ALL THE TIME.

Otherwise, I may have friends or family coming from the US to visit sometime, and maybe they could bring some of your products and the NatCell thymus with them...?  (...although, I am sure that would go down like a lead balloon with the security procedures at airports these days...?!?)
Oh dear...

Well-
I am very grateful for your feedback, and for all the experience, research, advice, wisdom, and work you have so generously and nobly shared with the world, through your publications and postings(and personal emails!), especially for the sake of those of us who are suffering with 'the dragon'. 
I deeply appreciate your help.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Angela
Best regards,
Angela

IN HEALTH,
LLOYD

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2010/1/20 Angela

Dear Lloyd,

Thank you for kindly wading through yet another of my emails, and, thank you so much for the information you sent in response to my questions.

The 'funniest' thing is that I had just sat down at the computer, and was going to email you my lab and ultrasound scan results, and when I logged onto my account, there was your email, hot off the press!!  It was nice to feel connected to 'The Source of Hep Hope' at that moment!! ;-)

...And then, I read the bad news...about the FDA! :-/

I was shocked and horrified to hear from you about their most recent measures to dissuade and disable you from operating informatively, and I am absolutely dumbfounded!!!  :-0

It is sickening (no pun intended!) and sinister to hear this news, and I fail to understand how a gov't watchdog ('for the people'??!) could be so blatantly watching out, instead, for the drug companies, and whoever else will benefit from pharmaceutical profits, at the expense of human life and health...  My rose-tinted glasses are truly shattered!!  :-( 

I feel utterly sick to my stomach - and completely outraged!  And I want to drop everything I am doing, and raise the alarm!!!  This is not right, and it cannot be!!!  We cannot let this happen!!  And, if they are doing this vis a vis hep C, then, how many other corruptions are there in the missions to find 'cures' for diseases??!?  How many other diseases might already be cured or alleviated, except that it is more lucrative to keep us sick, and dependent on industries and entities who thrive off our illness?  How are we ever going to turn this (morally) sick money society around???  God help us all -
 
Well - I tried to phone you as soon as I read your email, and spoke, instead,  to Felisa, who was lovely.

She told me I'd need an import license to get the NatCell into the UK, in order to avoid critical time delays in customs, etc.

I also said I might be having a friend come visit, and maybe they could bring over some of your products ,including Natcell for me in their baggage...

I'm trying to see what I can organise and afford, which is limited, but I am working on doing all I can.  My goal is to get all my products from you.

In the meantime, I am doing a regime like the basic one you recommend: Milk Thistle, Alpha-Lipoic Acid, Dandelion tea (from bags, as I haven't found the loose tea, yet. I found dandelion capsules – Do you recommend them?).  I have to get Selenium, still.

I’m also taking turmeric, and B-complex with Vit C, more vit C, a multi-vit (no iron, of course) and drinking  green tea, licorice tea, a liver detox tea, and water with lemon.

I am supposed to take a calcium tab my doc prescribed, but I think it also has vit A or vit D in it, and I thought I read that one of those is not good for the liver…so I’m not taking them at the moment.  Besides, I asked for no flavoured tabs, and was given, instead,  a horribly fake fruit flavour – yuk!

I am also seeing the acupuncturist I mentioned to you, John Tindall, and getting herbs from him, as well.  There are something like 19 ingredients in his herbs, which are prepared as a powder, to be mixed with water 2 x per day, 30 mins before eating.   If you like, I will send you a list of those herbs..? And you can see what you think/know of them…  I mentioned you to him, but he didn’t say much… He’s English, but very ‘Eastern’ in some ways, and is a bit reticent.  I’ve only seen him twice in a month, so it’s early days still, and I expect to learn more every time I go there.  But, I’m taking your books when I go to see him this week (I just got Hep C Free and read it in one go), and I will request he reviews them – or, perhaps I should say, ‘suggest strongly.’  It’s interesting – he sees this virus as part of the big universal picture of balance/imbalance in the world, which we humans have brought upon ourselves by the way we have abused the planet and its resources, upsetting ecosystems, and setting up conditions for viruses to jump from one habitat/host to another.  And viruses are so much better at evolving -or mutating! - to survive in new environments,   much faster than we will ever be, so we can’t keep up and change to save ourselves fast enough to protect ourselves from the onslaught of new immunological enemies…  So, it’s not looking good for mankind…!  …but –that’s just ‘the way it is’ in the ever-evolving universe… :-/

Neither a good nor bad, nor happy nor sad thing…just the way it is…

Well, that may be true, and it does make sense – but , in this life, I want to BEAT THIS DISEASE!!! J

Anyway –  --- --- shall I send you the results of my test…!?!

Ok - -I’ll put them in an attachment!

[Speaking of which – I didn’t get an attachment in your last email regarding the Hep A/B vaccines, just so you don’t think I’m ignoring any info I might have responded to… ~A~]

 Thank you again – and always – for your help, to me and to all of us –

Your personal investment in our well-being is very encouraging, empowering, and always inspiring.

I am so grateful for all the important information, and the all-important moral support!  Where would we be without you…???

Sending you best,
Angela

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From: Angela
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:10 AM
To: Lloyd Wright
Subject: Re: NatCell thymus in the uk?

Dear Lloyd,
Hi - it's me again -

A couple of additional questions..!?!

Do you know anything about the antioxidant, Microhydrin?

I use to carry it, it is a overpriced product that no one buys and if memory serves it is thymus and some other stuff. I would not buy it, cost too much for what it is.

A friend of mine from 10+ yrs ago was taking that for her Hep C (I didn't even know what it was then...!), and swore it was working...!  She's alive and well today, (and ahe drinks and smokes pot!), but I don't know how the virus registers with her.

Also - how often should I have:

 - blood work done to test liver enzymes? depends on you, your insurance or cash flow. most people who get one every three weeks go crazy if everything is not going down. once a year is fine unless there is a issue that needs to be looked at closely for a while.
 - RNA test to show viral load? every few years.
 - a phlebotomy (I guess, depends on iron levels test results) - How soon should I have a phlebotomy based on my numbers now? what are the numbers?

My GP seems to think this is a new infection...  Can you determine anything one way or the other from the info so far, as to how long I might have had this virus, or how entrenched it is?

NO! I have seen lab work that is perfect from people who have had it for 30 years and bad lab work from people who have had it a few years. The best way to know is looking at when something happened that could have caused it, It really does not matter, interferon won't kill it regardless of when you got it and they are going to try and tell you that if it is a new infection it is easier to kill. I have not seen that happen.

Thanks for all info and advice, as always.

Best,
Angela

in health,
Lloyd

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From: Angela
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:51 AM
To: Lloyd Wright
Subject: Re: NatCell thymus in the uk?

Dear Lloyd,

Thanks so much for your prompt reply to my questions.  It is always so eye-opening to hear from you, and your experience and advice is absolutely invaluable!

Ok - re: the phlebotomy:
These are the results iron from my first blood tests:

Serum Iron level

            Serum iron level                 26.2.umol/L

1.     Serum TIBC                 54.3 umol/L             (40-250)
       Serum ferritin               206    ug/L              (20 – 40)

            Transferritin saturation index   48.3%  HI        

And - my viral load is:

R HCV RNA level ……………   231, 723  IU/mL         

If you need any other test values in relation to the iron, they should be in the lab work and scan results I sent attached in a recent email. (I will attach them again, for your convenience.)

But, if I need to get any other tests done, please let me know.

Thanks for the comments on Microhydrin, and also for the perspective on the relevance - or lack thereof - of dating the virus. 
[Yes - the info from, and few discussions with, drs. seem to suggest that a new infection responds better to the chemo.  ]
Thanks for cluing me in to the reality, as, even before I get to the special Hepatolgy clinic, I can anticipate the spin and possible pressure I will get in support of chemo.]

I wonder if you could sell your books in a down-loadable form from your website, for an easy/instant-access option for patients and doctors...?

tried that, most emial is not large enough

Also - when you have a minute, can you kindly re-send me info on (not getting) the Hep A & B vaccines, as I didn't seem to get the attachment you sent, and want to be able to speak in an informed manner about that. Thanks a lot!

Re: risk from exposure to other Heps (when working in other countries), do I correctly suppose, now knowing about Hep,  that it is easy/straight-forward enough (!?!) for people with  normal, low-risk life-styles, to avoid the blood-based strains (all, except for A?)  in normal, everyday life (in other countries or anywhere?!), and that it may just be Hep A which is a possible danger if one lives, travels, works abroad outside the US or Western Europe - say, in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Northern Africa, Middle East, Asia, or Mexico?

As my hepatology appt was rescheduled until March, do you have any advice re: what , if anything I should do in the meantime, while I wait for my new  hepatology appt.?

What should I do next?
Request a fibrosure test?
Request a test for the genome?
Request a fibroscan?
Request another liver screen?  ( I read your comments above, indicating that once a year is fine. Thanks!!)
Nothing - and just keep taking herbs and supps and acupunture, and try to get your supps sent over here?
All/none of the above...?

I've discovered the website on Import Licensing in the UK, and am trying to wade through it so I can get a license to receive your products:
http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/europeandtrade/importing-into-uk/page9728.html
I think I'll need to discuss this with Felisa for guidance..!?

As always, I am indebted to you for your wisdom and support.

Sending my thanks and
very best regards,
Angela

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2010/1/21 Lloyd Wright

Hello,

Your lab work says your ferritin level is high. To lower it you get therapudic plabotmies and or take IP6.

When your ferritin level goes down your ast and alt should follow in a few months. This is important.

People with high ferritin levels for prolong periods of time develop more cancers.

Lloyd

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2010/1/22 Angela

Dear Lloyd,

I got some IP6 today, as I don't know yet how soon/what it will take to get a phlebotomy, since my dr. hasn't got back to me yet to discuss that.

Anyway - I got a bottle of IP-6 with inositol capsules.
Each capsule has 400mg IP-6 and  110

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From: Angela
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:57 AM
To: Lloyd Wright
Subject: Re: NatCell thymus in the uk?

Dear Lloyd,

Sorry - computer malfunction  for last email!!

Ok - today I got IP-6 (with inositol), as you suggested. 
How much do I take to bring down ferritin levels?
(and to what level of ferritin should I aim?)

Each cap has 400 mg IP-6 and 110mg inositol.
(Package says take 2 caps, 2x per day = 4 caps per day?)

Recap of my stats:
AST        71...then, ......71
ALT        78....then, ......96

RNA        231,723  IU/mL

Serum Fe      26.2
Serum TIBC   54.3
Transferritin sat index 48.3 % (HI)

Always grateful for your advice!

Many thanks!

Best,
Angela

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2010/1/25 Lloyd Wright

Take 2, 3 X day with water. No food for 40 minutes before and after.

Lloyd

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From: Angela
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:12 AM
To: Lloyd Wright
Subject: Re: NatCell thymus in the uk?

Dear Lloyd,

Thank you for your emails of today, with all the good feedback and info on the ferritin levels, phelbotomies, etc.

As well, thank you for the protocol and dosages for the IP-6, which I will follow immediately.

I include below 4 points for your attention/review:
1.Ordering your products
2. Dosage of thymus concentrate capsules
3. My feedback on your healing programme
4.Recognition of the positive effect of your caring response to your clients

1. Re: Ordering your products: 

I will have a friend coming to visit sometime in March, and I am going to have him bring a supply of your supplements to me.
(When I spoke to Felisa, she said it would be possible to ship things to him with suitable extra packing for subsequent passage in his checked baggage on the airline.)

In the meantime, I will be trying to figure out the rigamarole of getting the UK import license, so that I can  get your things sent to me without the hold-ups they'd otherwise suffer  in customs and the charges they'd accrue.
 
Until then, I am going to continue to follow the healing protocol, which you outline in your books, as best I can, with the ingredients I am able to get here.
So far, I have been steadily getting and taking the things on your basic 'to take' list.

2. Re: dosage of thymus :

On that note, I actually just found some (bovine) thymus concentrate (Nutri Thymus), from New Zealand, which has 140 mg of thymus per capsule.  (It's hard to find thymus here!)
What dosage of that would you recommend..?

3. Re: My feedback on your programme after beginning it three weeks ago:

So -- it is pretty much exactly three weeks since I read Triumph, started following your supplement advice , and  then got  in touch with you.

Although it has not been that long, and it has taken me some of that time to get all the basic ingredients,  ... I have to tell you that I have already been feeling steadily so much better !!!  It really is remarkable!!! 

I have felt my energy returning, and I feel like I am getting stronger 'from the inside out, ' feeling very whole and connected in my body - like all the energy channels are beginning to flow smoothly again in an unbroken circuit ....!?! 

I feel like my life force is returning!!! :-)

So,  I join the other of your client testimonials to say that I haven't felt this well in ages: I now have a lot of vital energy I 'can count on', strength that goes all day and late into the evening, and sleep that is restful...!! 

And it is only early days!  Wow!

On top of that, the bleak, blank numbness and shroud of depression, which had replaced my ' joie de vivre' and weighed down my spirits, mentally and physically, since before my diagnosis, has lifted, and my brighter, joyful side is returning!!! 

I am not exhausted, and I am not depressed!

I absolutely feel a progressive sense of wellness and well-being!

(I am sure that if I were to have blood work done right now, my numbers would show an improvement over a month ago.  I just feel it!)

Your book  - and your emails - have given me hope;
your programme has given me energy!

I was so heartened to read the evidence you described in your books, and to have a promising programme to follow, I became very energised by hope.

The sense of hope was so powerful, ...I almost forgot to notice that, after a following your programme for the first week - and certainly now, after three weeks - I am energised by....energy!!!!!!!

4. Re: the effect of your client care:

Your supplement regime clearly has promise and results, but, what is immeasurably important is the generous time, personal attention, and practical and emotional support you give your clients. (And - most of us have never/will never even meet you!!!)

Dare I say it, but, your loving kindness is as powerful as any medicine, and helps us all to make the critical mind/body connection necessary to fight (this and all) disease.

Your help has been absolutely critical to me at the beginning of this journey back to health, as it has been to so many others.

Thank you for  making this disease a voyage of discovery, restoration, and rebirth, and not one of despair, distress, and death...

And, thank you again for all your help and support over the last three weeks.

You have made a very, very real difference!!

Sending you ongoing gratitude and immense respect
for all your work
for all your help
for all of us,

In health, indeed!
Angela

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